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		<title>By: al baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>al baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly you know my feelings about Coakley.

I will second John&#039;s comment and tell you that I still love you!</description>
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<p>I will second John&#8217;s comment and tell you that I still love you!</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Rosenthal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard Rosenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bob,
   I very much appreciate how you feel and how difficult this must be for you. I had an unhappiness as you know, when I resigned from the board of advisors for the National Center For Reason and Justice, when I believed that it supported a case it had at first correctly, in my opinion, rejected, and then, depressingly to me, reversed itself. So reasonable people do disagree, and my experience in what I then considered, and still do, a serious failure on the part of NCRJ did not diminish my admiration for you or for the good causes you have supported. Similarly, I fully understand your refusal to vote for Ms Coakley. I am not a Mass. resident and cannot know what I would have done in the voting both. I know nothing about Mr. Brown. What I do know is that it would have been very difficult for me to cast a vote for Ms Coakley, and I can only respect you for putting your principles above the enormous pressure you must have received from people of good faith who felt the need for a 60th vote was more important than saying no to someone who has behaved as she has. You will lose something in the short term by what has happened, but I hope that the elusive search for a just society has been strengthened by the position you took. And ditto on Lieberman and Nelson. Best wishes, Bernie Rosenthal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bob,<br />
   I very much appreciate how you feel and how difficult this must be for you. I had an unhappiness as you know, when I resigned from the board of advisors for the National Center For Reason and Justice, when I believed that it supported a case it had at first correctly, in my opinion, rejected, and then, depressingly to me, reversed itself. So reasonable people do disagree, and my experience in what I then considered, and still do, a serious failure on the part of NCRJ did not diminish my admiration for you or for the good causes you have supported. Similarly, I fully understand your refusal to vote for Ms Coakley. I am not a Mass. resident and cannot know what I would have done in the voting both. I know nothing about Mr. Brown. What I do know is that it would have been very difficult for me to cast a vote for Ms Coakley, and I can only respect you for putting your principles above the enormous pressure you must have received from people of good faith who felt the need for a 60th vote was more important than saying no to someone who has behaved as she has. You will lose something in the short term by what has happened, but I hope that the elusive search for a just society has been strengthened by the position you took. And ditto on Lieberman and Nelson. Best wishes, Bernie Rosenthal</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Kane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response to Dave: 

I thought the &quot;curling iron&quot; remark was reported as coming from an unknown person in one of Brown&#039;s audiences during the closing days of the campaign.  Where did it get attributed to Brown, himself?  I&#039;m curious because, as far as I know, Brown did not bring up that case in his campaign.  I did hear a lot about it on various talk-radio shows, however, especially following the Boston Globe article criticizing M.C.&#039;s handling of the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response to Dave: </p>
<p>I thought the &#8220;curling iron&#8221; remark was reported as coming from an unknown person in one of Brown&#8217;s audiences during the closing days of the campaign.  Where did it get attributed to Brown, himself?  I&#8217;m curious because, as far as I know, Brown did not bring up that case in his campaign.  I did hear a lot about it on various talk-radio shows, however, especially following the Boston Globe article criticizing M.C.&#8217;s handling of the case.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debra,

I know the wonderful work you have done and are doing for justice. You are a true friend and a true friend of justice!

-Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debra,</p>
<p>I know the wonderful work you have done and are doing for justice. You are a true friend and a true friend of justice!</p>
<p>-Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After Scott Brown&#039;s horrible remark about what he would like to do to Coakley with a curling iron, I never could have voted for him; but there&#039;s no way I could have voted for Coakley either. Luckily, I vote in Virginia (and live in Singapore - knowing the way these things work, my absentee ballot probably would have been &quot;lost&quot; anyway). I did encourage all my MA friends to support the Amiraults et al and not vote for Coakley, and I&#039;ve taken a bit of heat for it from my friends who know me as a very loyal Dem, which I am. My response: if Coakley had won, the Dems still wouldn&#039;t have really had a working supermajority anyhow thanks to Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln; and without her, they still have a solid majority. If Harry Reid couldn&#039;t get the health care bill through last week, having Martha Coakley on his side of the aisle wouldn&#039;t have helped. 
Some friends agree, some don&#039;t; but at least I got some of them to recognize that Gerald Amirault is not a statistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After Scott Brown&#8217;s horrible remark about what he would like to do to Coakley with a curling iron, I never could have voted for him; but there&#8217;s no way I could have voted for Coakley either. Luckily, I vote in Virginia (and live in Singapore &#8211; knowing the way these things work, my absentee ballot probably would have been &#8220;lost&#8221; anyway). I did encourage all my MA friends to support the Amiraults et al and not vote for Coakley, and I&#8217;ve taken a bit of heat for it from my friends who know me as a very loyal Dem, which I am. My response: if Coakley had won, the Dems still wouldn&#8217;t have really had a working supermajority anyhow thanks to Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln; and without her, they still have a solid majority. If Harry Reid couldn&#8217;t get the health care bill through last week, having Martha Coakley on his side of the aisle wouldn&#8217;t have helped.<br />
Some friends agree, some don&#8217;t; but at least I got some of them to recognize that Gerald Amirault is not a statistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Beard Bader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Beard Bader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For thoughtful people, elections are not easy matters and I understand and appreciate the feelings you express so clearly.

I thought it was telling, though, that MC was both hated FOR and hated AGAINST in her professional work with regard to &quot;sex offenders.&quot;  For us on the Defense - the work she had been a part of was inexcusable.  For some, on the other side the work she had done was &quot;not sufficiently&quot; prosecutorial and thus -inexcusable.  I was/am still shocked by the entirely circumstantial case of &quot;the cop and the curling iron&quot; &amp; I appreciate why her office extended some bail flexibility, etc. which created such horror in the tea-bag universe.

For me this election had to be about &quot;now&quot; and the coming year - not some &quot;pay back&quot; for wounds genuinely protested.  MC would help universal health insurance - even imperfect as it is - become law.  Scott Brown vowed to stop it.  STOP END OF LINE. Yes I care about the 30 MILLION Americans without health ins. (and Bob - I spent decades in that group of uninsured myself and racked up back-breaking debt myself) but I actually worry more about what it has done and will continue to do to our standard of living.  You know heath care cost have been eating away at the average worker salaries at a rate which is simply unsustainable.  Working people make &quot;less&#039; today in relative dollars than 20 or 30 years ago almost entirely due to the cost of medical insurance and it is not stopping.  Health Care Reform is not just a &quot;nice&quot; idea but one essential to our ability to maintain our standard of living relative to the 90% of the developed world that does have medical costs under better control. 

Is the Bill perfect? Is anything? 

With not just 30 million uninsured on my mind but with all of US on my mind, focusing on what one little lawyer did in a JOB that effected - as you counted - 3 people in a HORRIBLE way, just was not a good enough reason for me to toss our generation&#039;s one shot at national health reform.

Call me short cited but please understand I have defended sex offenders for more than 10 years and hope to do so for the rest of my life as nothing gives me more satisfaction than defending these &quot;witches&quot; in our new &quot;Salem.&quot;  

Even so - without reference to an actual faith I am continually moved and supported by Mathew: &quot;As you do on to the least of these, so you do unto me.&quot;  In these few words, Bob, I suggest - may I presume, despite our differences - we are family? 

Debra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For thoughtful people, elections are not easy matters and I understand and appreciate the feelings you express so clearly.</p>
<p>I thought it was telling, though, that MC was both hated FOR and hated AGAINST in her professional work with regard to &#8220;sex offenders.&#8221;  For us on the Defense &#8211; the work she had been a part of was inexcusable.  For some, on the other side the work she had done was &#8220;not sufficiently&#8221; prosecutorial and thus -inexcusable.  I was/am still shocked by the entirely circumstantial case of &#8220;the cop and the curling iron&#8221; &amp; I appreciate why her office extended some bail flexibility, etc. which created such horror in the tea-bag universe.</p>
<p>For me this election had to be about &#8220;now&#8221; and the coming year &#8211; not some &#8220;pay back&#8221; for wounds genuinely protested.  MC would help universal health insurance &#8211; even imperfect as it is &#8211; become law.  Scott Brown vowed to stop it.  STOP END OF LINE. Yes I care about the 30 MILLION Americans without health ins. (and Bob &#8211; I spent decades in that group of uninsured myself and racked up back-breaking debt myself) but I actually worry more about what it has done and will continue to do to our standard of living.  You know heath care cost have been eating away at the average worker salaries at a rate which is simply unsustainable.  Working people make &#8220;less&#8217; today in relative dollars than 20 or 30 years ago almost entirely due to the cost of medical insurance and it is not stopping.  Health Care Reform is not just a &#8220;nice&#8221; idea but one essential to our ability to maintain our standard of living relative to the 90% of the developed world that does have medical costs under better control. </p>
<p>Is the Bill perfect? Is anything? </p>
<p>With not just 30 million uninsured on my mind but with all of US on my mind, focusing on what one little lawyer did in a JOB that effected &#8211; as you counted &#8211; 3 people in a HORRIBLE way, just was not a good enough reason for me to toss our generation&#8217;s one shot at national health reform.</p>
<p>Call me short cited but please understand I have defended sex offenders for more than 10 years and hope to do so for the rest of my life as nothing gives me more satisfaction than defending these &#8220;witches&#8221; in our new &#8220;Salem.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Even so &#8211; without reference to an actual faith I am continually moved and supported by Mathew: &#8220;As you do on to the least of these, so you do unto me.&#8221;  In these few words, Bob, I suggest &#8211; may I presume, despite our differences &#8211; we are family? </p>
<p>Debra</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Kane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 03:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a Friend of Justice, to me, means standing up for innocent people who have been unjustly accused and wrongfully convicted.  Martha Coakley, on her own, and in following up on the actions of her predecessors, Harshbarger and Reilly, has caused immeasurable harm to many people.  I know the lasting effects on these people, to this day, because I consider myself their friend and talk to them all the time.  Their families were destroyed, their lives turned upside down, their good names and reputations irreparably sullied.  

Coakley and the other two of the Middlesex D.A. triumvirate have ascended the political ladder of ambition, the rungs of which have been innocent folks, including the alleged child toddler-victims, who, after the interrogations for trial and the subsequent years of &quot;therapy,&quot; still believe they were abused.  These officers of the court, defenders of the law, seekers of truth and justice, all, have utilized political expedience to further their ends. 

Wouldn&#039;t our electing them to be Governor of the Commonwealth, or United States Senator, be more acts of political expedience, but not their acts any more?  Ours. 

I&#039;ve been told to &quot;eat crow&quot; for the greater good of the country, and vote for Coakley.  But, as far as I am concerned, I, we, have been &quot;eating crow&quot; for the last 25 years, by our not yelling from the rooftops that injustice and corruption have been alive and well in the Middlesex D.A.&#039;s Office.  

Beyond that, what assurances are there that a Coakley in the U.S. Senate would ensure an acceptable and adequate universal health care bill?  Even were there an iron-clad assurance, even though I was born and brought up a &quot;Boston Irish Catholic Democrat Son-of a -Bitch,&quot; I could no more vote for her than deny whatever integrity I have discovered in my being who I am, and have become, a friend of justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a Friend of Justice, to me, means standing up for innocent people who have been unjustly accused and wrongfully convicted.  Martha Coakley, on her own, and in following up on the actions of her predecessors, Harshbarger and Reilly, has caused immeasurable harm to many people.  I know the lasting effects on these people, to this day, because I consider myself their friend and talk to them all the time.  Their families were destroyed, their lives turned upside down, their good names and reputations irreparably sullied.  </p>
<p>Coakley and the other two of the Middlesex D.A. triumvirate have ascended the political ladder of ambition, the rungs of which have been innocent folks, including the alleged child toddler-victims, who, after the interrogations for trial and the subsequent years of &#8220;therapy,&#8221; still believe they were abused.  These officers of the court, defenders of the law, seekers of truth and justice, all, have utilized political expedience to further their ends. </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t our electing them to be Governor of the Commonwealth, or United States Senator, be more acts of political expedience, but not their acts any more?  Ours. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been told to &#8220;eat crow&#8221; for the greater good of the country, and vote for Coakley.  But, as far as I am concerned, I, we, have been &#8220;eating crow&#8221; for the last 25 years, by our not yelling from the rooftops that injustice and corruption have been alive and well in the Middlesex D.A.&#8217;s Office.  </p>
<p>Beyond that, what assurances are there that a Coakley in the U.S. Senate would ensure an acceptable and adequate universal health care bill?  Even were there an iron-clad assurance, even though I was born and brought up a &#8220;Boston Irish Catholic Democrat Son-of a -Bitch,&#8221; I could no more vote for her than deny whatever integrity I have discovered in my being who I am, and have become, a friend of justice.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis,

Thank you for your comment! I knew about what Coakley tried to do to you, because Bee Baran told me. i was appalled at the time and I remain appalled. I have posted about this, but only in general terms and always leaving your name out of it. I didn&#039;t want to drag you into a public controversy and I wasn&#039;t sure whether or not you and your lawyers had agreed to a gag order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment! I knew about what Coakley tried to do to you, because Bee Baran told me. i was appalled at the time and I remain appalled. I have posted about this, but only in general terms and always leaving your name out of it. I didn&#8217;t want to drag you into a public controversy and I wasn&#8217;t sure whether or not you and your lawyers had agreed to a gag order.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis maher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She didn&#039;t want to let me out of prison even though i had DNA exonorating me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She didn&#8217;t want to let me out of prison even though i had DNA exonorating me.</p>
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		<title>By: john swomley</title>
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		<dc:creator>john swomley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still love you.</description>
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